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Healer Review: Logi

Postby Logiibob » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:18 pm

Wanted to give an example of the things I'm looking from our healers and review the process I took to look over my own numbers.

I'm using the last two raids as examples. As it's been pointed out, Out of Mobs logs to both World of Logs and Warcraft Logs. The links can be found in the resources tab (which I will add to the main bar later). Here are the logs in question:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4bHFXwtBgCGMQnap
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dJK6zj7fPqxtH1MG

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-hwg4z4jcrfhw37d9/
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-kyrhlahvh0k3ag7d/

First off, I acknowedge the following:
1. Raid Responsibility - Player might be off on their own healing only a tank for 1/3 of the fight or dealing with a mechanic. Question: Does this follow from fight to fight?
2. Raid CD timing - Less use of major CD's per-fight. For me, this is my tranq. Dro might get 2 tranqs because I put him first CD and put myself 3rd. Question: Is the CD used when assigned? If I did two tranqs - would I have been even?
3. Raid Size - Number of Healers - Fight Length - etc.

Keeping those things in mind on a per-fight basis, I then went and found another druid to compare against (beside Dro). It's important to find another player that is similiar geared and progressed. This step involes taking my numbers, my team mates numbers, and the X-factor player and seeing where improvment can be found.

To find a player, I looked at Warcraft Logs Statistics and sorted it down for players with an ilvl close to my own.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics ... &bracket=2

From this, I see that druids are doing between 26 and 29k HPS (at a high percentile) on the fight that we're progressing on.
Tec: 20-23k
Twin: 27-30k
Spore: 29-31k
Kor: 29-33k

Looking at Kor - which is a fight I did well on, I performed in the 10'th percentile. The druid that I picked to compare is:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/l ... oes/simple

Because I'm at work, I'm having to wrap this up. Basicly, here are the items I can improve on after reviewing the logs, class forums, and OCDing for having weaker numbers:
1. Change my lvl 100 talent to Germ. While I feel the other talent is stronger, I'm not able to get the full use out of it and the proc is to random. This means I need to get Grid2 show me the different states of Rejuv.
2. Setup a weakaura to make a sound when my Natures Vig. is off of CD.
3. Use my Tree on CD (basicly).
4. Move Wild Growth off of my main bar so that I can't Naga click it like I use to.
6. Figure out how to get more Spirit.

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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Keldoran » Fri Dec 19, 2014 4:25 pm

VuhDo is prettier.

What healing/party frame add-on do you use now? Or is it all mouse over macros...
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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Logiibob » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:01 pm

Here are my Weak Aura's that I'm running with tonight. I'm posting for backup purpose and so that others can use them for alts/etc.

Wild Mushroom - Let me know when my mushroom bloomed.

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Nature's Vigil - Let me know when it's off of CD.

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Harmony - Let me know when it falls off me.

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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Logiibob » Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:58 am

I keep saying that we're looking at numbers and I'm simply going to bump this thread to use myself as an example.

The fight I'm currently looking at is Mythic Twins vs my Heroic Twins kill. On H-twins, I'm doing okay. Mythic, I fell way behind. I've been trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong with my healing:

I'm compairing myself to Dro because his numbers also ranked.

One thing I notice he does is not take full advantage of Germination. If I cast rejuv, I almost always make it double up.
55 Dro - 360 Logi

CD's - Tranq - This is something that does make a difference. I tranqed for over heal.
142 Dro - 77 Logi

Nature Vig
3 Dro - 4 Logi

I'm at work and keep typing out what I'm seeing, but I want to also say that we look at the following:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9J ... =execution

It says what you died to - didn't stack for - etc.

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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Dronan » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:52 pm

CDs do and don't make a difference in this "review" of you. If you use a CD either prematurely or after it is necessary, then you screw over your throughput. We both tranq'd at the same "phase" of the fight, although I also tranq'd at the end when people were low and I was pretty much OOM to guarantee everyone stayed up. What I'm saying is you seem to be using your CDs properly and that they aren't the reason for your performance as far as I can tell.

Regarding your analysis of Germination - as I told you last night (I think it was last night...) you are using it incorrectly. Germination is stronger than the other two talents for the extra 3sec buff it gives to Rejuvenation, besides the other two are either too mana intensive or unnecessary if you can micromanage your toolkit. The extra "germination" HoT is good but generally I avoid casting it since it always "ALWAYS" goes into overheal in a raiding environment.

With our setup we have 2 Druids and a Monk for raid heals (all of which are HoT derived). Fire spreads his mists for optimal uplift coverage, and we provide the true "Triage" style healing of buffering heals from bigger casts (AKA Water). We also have Death who has amazing bubble coverage that essentially prevents any further damage from going out - allowing our heals to instead act as full heals instead of buffers. With Water's mastery also putting bubbles out, it lessens our need to spam heal coverage of the raid like SoO was in MoP. This is especially stressed since we Druids have the absolute worst regen of all the healing specs. It is because of these factors that I think I've determined what your issue is with mana and longevity on fights like Brackenspore, as well as your overall performance on the meters.

Looking at the meters the last few raids, I've noticed that my healing throughput has strengthened while simultaneously cutting back overheals drastically (down at least 10% overall). I've heard around the forums that even with the nature of Druid healing providing large overheal numbers, generally a "good" mythic Druid should be pulling no more than 30% overheal if he is using his toolkit optimally. I believe you tend to sit around ~36% overheal by the end of an encounter, which isn't bad, but it also implies some room for improvement with a tweak in play style.

Back to the germination thing - I think you are spamming too much. Rejuvenation is strong and essentially putting two on the same target fills the health bar within 3-4 ticks in a medium damage situation when coupled with Swiftmend. This means at least half of your ticks are wasted in overheals - which is equivalent to that cast of germination. Also take into account that you have at least 3 other healers, two of which are similar in HoT throughput, and that could push your effective healing down 2 ticks if we all have one HoT rolling. That's a lot of wasted healing and mana that could have either been saved for later or spread out better (Rej on 2 targets vs double HoTing 1). Another thing is to avoid casting Rej/Germ unnecessarily - only put it on the tanks or targets who are either low hp (I like sub 80%) or will be taking continuous damage (fixate on Imp). In your downtime on a fight, which should only really apply to low dmg phases and some medium ones, you should be spamming wrath. The dmg is meh but it is free and helps fill up GCDs...it also forces you out of the spam-HoT zone unless the encounter demands that shift back. Hard casting wrath is a full ~2sec of pure regen, but if you still need to put out some heals you could always hard cast Healing Touch. With the cast time and your regen (should be same as mine with our similarities in gear) you would come out even when the cast finished. Ex, you have 145k mana and hard cast HT (optimally on the Tank for reapplication of LB as well as having a 20% increased critical hit chance on your LB target), you would finish the cast back at 145k or maybe even 146k, yet would have done ~30k non crit heal or ~65k crit with living seed.

Wild Growth is also your friend, as is your shroom. I constantly see lower numbers from you with respect to both spells. Just means place your shrooms more often/better position for instances where multiple people will need stacked healing within the 30sec of it's life. WG is tricky in that it's our best healing spell in terms of mana cost and it's throughput, but it heavily penalizes us when we use it incorrectly. Try to use it when at least 4 (everyone says 5 but I don't trust the "smart healing" on it since they changed it) are just starting to take heavy damage, or need emergency heals. Otherwise most of the ticks will be wasted in over healing. If you have the WG glyph, then it becomes exceptionally strong in Tree of Life during a raid damage phase. Without it, it is still very strong, and you should aim for ~2 casts of it per ToL.

As it always is with the first raid of the expac, learning to better manage your mana and micromanage your healing toolkit properly is most certainly the solution to all healer woes. I think you just need to adjust your playstyle in between CDs if you want to see significant, long term improvements.
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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Zhaoyun » Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:19 pm

TL;DR: You suck Logii.
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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Dronan » Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:09 am

This is to provide a more side-by-side comparison of us two druids. *since you did so for Twins

Looking at your gear...(you wont like this) you actually have better spirit than I do, with your trinkets far superior to mine. The Everburning Candle alone provides amazing throughput as well as reliable (on use) mana return, and I'm pretty sure it's not far behind the darkmoon trinket in terms of overall regen. Most folks rank it superior to the DMF card since it's throughput is the best for available int/regen trinkets. (Pre BRF) So...upon considering the DMF proc and the on use from candle, we may be even in terms of regen, with me either slightly ahead at the cost of a significant chunk of throughput.

Overall, you have higher intellect than I do (your 4207 to my 3812) according to Armory, giving you 395 more spellpower. You have 26.81% mastery whereas I have 24.78%. You are also a Troll, which is projected slightly higher HPS due to timing Berserking with Tranquility to prevent other healing snipes during the channel, whereas Tauren only provides 2% increase to critical effects through Brawn (which is bleh on a druid since we don't prioritize crit rating).

The only thing not in your favour is your overall item level, 671.8, which is lower than mine, 672.3. Pretty much the same gear except your shoulders suck (my pants suck too but are 5 ilvls higher than your shoulders, therefore more primary stats).

From a gearing standpoint and backed by numbers....you should always be beating me if we had the same playstyle. Higher raw throughput with intellect, higher mastery percentage, and even higher raw spirit (not counting the on use effect from Candle nor proc from DMF) than I put forth. Performance issues must then boil down to playstyle(toolkit usage)/ability to predict and react to incoming damage/connection/healing snipes/u fappin'?

Since your character is better than mine...can I play yours one raid? ;)


TL;DR - Zhao is rude but right, sorry Logi
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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Zhaoyun » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:21 am

I just says it like I sees it, Dro-bro.
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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Stoic » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:23 am

Zhao places a tee into the ground and places the ball on it, pulls out the Driver and hands it to Dronan.

*whack*!

340 yards right down the middle.

that just happened :popcorn:
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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Logiibob » Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:53 pm

:head:

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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Logiibob » Sun Feb 08, 2015 12:55 pm

Still watching the logs and trying to do what Cass and Dro have suggested.

I'm re-did my hover-over macro's to the ones on MMO. The macro's I used let me cast at myself if the target is dead/whatever. This is mostly painful for dispell and rejuv waste.

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Cenarion Ward
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead,help,][exists,nodead,help][@player] Cenarion Ward

Healing Touch
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead,help,][exists,nodead,help][@player] Healing Touch

Iron Bark
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead,help,][exists,nodead,help][@player] Ironbark

Lifebloom
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead,help,][exists,nodead,help][@player] Lifebloom

Rejuvenation
#showtooltip Rejuvenation
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead,help,][exists,nodead,help][@player] Rejuvenation

Rebirth
#showtooltip Rebirth
/cast [@mouseover,help]Rebirth;Rebirth

Swiftmend
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead,help,][exists,nodead,help][@player] Swiftmend

Wild Growth (You don't actually need a macro for this one as it targets 5 random damaged players)
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead,help,][exists,nodead,help][@player] Wild Growth

Nature's Cure
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead,help,][exists,nodead,help][@player] Nature's Cure

Regrowth
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists,nodead,help,][exists,nodead,help][@player] Regrowth


I ran Vudo to see if it was something I could use. So far I don't like it. Next is HealBot.

Re-read the sources I use for class info:
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/164 ... 286-0-3%29
http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/restoratio ... ling-guide
http://www.noxxic.com/wow/pve/druid/res ... t-priority

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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Keldoran » Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:56 pm

If the druid info at Noxxic and Icy-Veins is anything like the Paladin info, That might be the reason you're doing so bad.

I consider Icy-veins to be the itchy rash on the underside of my balls after a weekend of nameless debauchery. Seems like a good idea when you're about to go balls deep, but in hind side, as you're sitting in a chair with an ice pack between your legs and ample amounts of antibiotics in your system, you feel like it might have been a mistake.

Noxxic on the other hand is the Herpies infested, 40 year old meth addict hooker. The 5$ blowjob sounds like a great deal, till you realize all her rotted out teeth will just slice up your junk, opening you up to receive all her STD's.

VuhDo on the other hand is a really great tool if you take the time to use it. While I know a few healers who hold onto the old mouse over macros, this add on makes them irreverent, saving you a ton of space. Healbot is pretty much the same thing with slightly different options. What was it you didn't like? Maybe I can help you customize it to your liking.
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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Wylds » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:19 pm

Keldoran wrote:If the druid info at Noxxic and Icy-Veins is anything like the Paladin info, That might be the reason you're doing so bad.

I consider Icy-veins to be the itchy rash on the underside of my balls after a weekend of nameless debauchery. Seems like a good idea when you're about to go balls deep, but in hind side, as you're sitting in a chair with an ice pack between your legs and ample amounts of antibiotics in your system, you feel like it might have been a mistake.

Noxxic on the other hand is the Herpies infested, 40 year old meth addict hooker. The 5$ blowjob sounds like a great deal, till you realize all her rotted out teeth will just slice up your junk, opening you up to receive all her STD's.

VuhDo on the other hand is a really great tool if you take the time to use it. While I know a few healers who hold onto the old mouse over macros, this add on makes them irreverent, saving you a ton of space. Healbot is pretty much the same thing with slightly different options. What was it you didn't like? Maybe I can help you customize it to your liking.



Wow that visual, I completely agree but just DAMN!

scarred for the rest of my life :nuke:
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Re: Healer Review: Logi

Postby Stoic » Sun Feb 08, 2015 7:57 pm

Vuhdo is totally FTW, you can make it mimic any other healing addon and still get the extra funtionality of it.

If you aren't using Vuhdo: you're doing it wrong.

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